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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 04:54 am

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Who would be hurt more by switching MLB off its current salary structure: the Yankees for having to limit their free agent spending and cut costs, or the Rays for having to pay Longoria, Pena, Price, Upton, Zobrist, Shields, and everyone else on the team fair market value instead MLB giving them those players for 6 years under heavily depressed salary control? How would the Marlins or Pirates or Royals react if, in addition to telling the Yankees they can't spend as much as they want, MLB also told those teams they have to start reinvesting close to the same proportion of their revenues into team payroll and have to put forth the money to keep around their stars rather than trade them away or else spend that money on other players, or that if they refuse to spend that money on their teams, they will no longer receive any revenue sharing payments?


Excellent point.

As much as a salary cap would seem to make sense, on the surface, there are some that claim that it would actually give teams like the Yankees a bigger advantage.

Large market teams would simply invest more in their farm systems and international development, and as long as the current system is in place, large market teams would simply outbid everyone else for international prospects.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 07:18 am
the good book says,"for the love of money, is the root of all evil."
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 07:54 am

espritdesstlouis wrote

Kincaid wrote

Who would be hurt more by switching MLB off its current salary structure: the Yankees for having to limit their free agent spending and cut costs, or the Rays for having to pay Longoria, Pena, Price, Upton, Zobrist, Shields, and everyone else on the team fair market value instead MLB giving them those players for 6 years under heavily depressed salary control? How would the Marlins or Pirates or Royals react if, in addition to telling the Yankees they can't spend as much as they want, MLB also told those teams they have to start reinvesting close to the same proportion of their revenues into team payroll and have to put forth the money to keep around their stars rather than trade them away or else spend that money on other players, or that if they refuse to spend that money on their teams, they will no longer receive any revenue sharing payments?


Excellent point.

As much as a salary cap would seem to make sense, on the surface, there are some that claim that it would actually give teams like the Yankees a bigger advantage.

Large market teams would simply invest more in their farm systems and international development, and as long as the current system is in place, large market teams would simply outbid everyone else for international prospects.

Another good point!

Also pertinent to this issue is the fact that the Yankee owners put a great amount of their profits back into the team. PROFIT is not their ULTIMATE GOAL. Fan satisfaction ranks heavily!

How many owners do the same?
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 08:08 am

schneitzel wrote

espritdesstlouis wrote

Kincaid wrote

Who would be hurt more by switching MLB off its current salary structure: the Yankees for having to limit their free agent spending and cut costs, or the Rays for having to pay Longoria, Pena, Price, Upton, Zobrist, Shields, and everyone else on the team fair market value instead MLB giving them those players for 6 years under heavily depressed salary control? How would the Marlins or Pirates or Royals react if, in addition to telling the Yankees they can't spend as much as they want, MLB also told those teams they have to start reinvesting close to the same proportion of their revenues into team payroll and have to put forth the money to keep around their stars rather than trade them away or else spend that money on other players, or that if they refuse to spend that money on their teams, they will no longer receive any revenue sharing payments?


Excellent point.

As much as a salary cap would seem to make sense, on the surface, there are some that claim that it would actually give teams like the Yankees a bigger advantage.

Large market teams would simply invest more in their farm systems and international development, and as long as the current system is in place, large market teams would simply outbid everyone else for international prospects.

Another good point!

Also pertinent to this issue is the fact that the Yankee owners put a great amount of their profits back into the team. PROFIT is not their ULTIMATE GOAL. Fan satisfaction ranks heavily!

How many owners do the same?


I have not read this entire thread and I assume it rehashes much of the same already addressed this offseason.

But my .02 worth ... A salary cap will not work without a salary bottom. Otherwise the Pirates are still the Pirates. It has to be a salary zone. The players union is never going to allow this to happen though.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 08:21 am
The owners don't particularly want it either (at least not with the necessary salary floor and other major changes accompanying it). The teams supposedly offered the most benefits (teams like the Pirates, Marlins, etc.) are the ones spending way below what the floor would be who don't want MLB forcing them to invest tens of millions more out of their revenues than they currently are. It's not so much an issue of the union never allowing it, it's that neither side really wants the massive overhaul that would be required to make it feasible, and ownership interests are way to split for them to come to an agreement even within themselves on everything that would need to be done.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 08:30 am
Again, the causal factor is profit, and in many cases let's add greed,that drives the train.There are very few Steinbrenners.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 08:34 am

schneitzel wrote

Again, the causal factor is profit, and in many cases let's add greed,that drives the train.There are very few Steinbrenners.


This is what I mean when people say "It's not fair!" and I say "Not fair for who?"

Of course the answer is that the only one it is not fair is the fans of teams with :!: owners and management. Which any salary structure won't fix anyway.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 11:27 am
I think the Yankees salary situation is overblown. At the end of the day the salary is so bloated because they have had a poor habit of way overspending on declining talent.

Yes they have A Rod and Texiera and CC and those are key players. But how much money should a guy like Damon really be making?

The Yankees still do the same thing as any other team. They mix free agents with talent they've brought up. Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Cano, Gardner, Cabrera, Joba. These are all home grown guys.

OK, so they spend $10 million more a year than other teams would to have a guy like A Rod. Doesn't mean his talent matches his salary. And it doesn't really make them smart. They could still probably have the same team they have while spending at the level of the Red Sox and Mets.

I don't see the spending as an indicator of winning. I see it as an error in accounting.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 11:54 am
Would I like to see the Cards spend like the Yankees - sure! We all know they can't. Ticket prices are always mentioned as having to be higher, but the Yankees have their own TV network and get a lot more in radio fees than do the Cards. How much more ad promotion with companies like Adidas do the Yankees have? The Cards have the relationship with A-B, but the Yankees have those kind of deals plus many others. They have several team stores throughout NYC that haul in plenty from the locals and tourist trade. Their additional revenue streams outside of ticket sales enable a lot of their spending. There is plenty more revenue opportunity in a metro of 13M+ compared to STL, let alone their national fan base.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 11:57 am

PacNWCardsFan wrote

The Yankees have done it for years, and this was the first year it actually worked. SO everyone does have a fair chance.

09:Yanks-$201M
08:Phils-$98M
07:BoSox-$143M
06:Cards-$88M
05:ChiSox-$75M
04:BoSox-$127M
03:Marlins-$45M
02:Angels-$61M
01:DBacks-$85M
00:Yanks-$107M

Look at it since last NYY won. A variety of salaries thru there so spending the money doesnt always win a championship.


+1 where is the problem?
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 12:05 pm

Philly5 wrote

PacNWCardsFan wrote

The Yankees have done it for years, and this was the first year it actually worked. SO everyone does have a fair chance.

09:Yanks-$201M
08:Phils-$98M
07:BoSox-$143M
06:Cards-$88M
05:ChiSox-$75M
04:BoSox-$127M
03:Marlins-$45M
02:Angels-$61M
01:DBacks-$85M
00:Yanks-$107M

Look at it since last NYY won. A variety of salaries thru there so spending the money doesnt always win a championship.


+1 where is the problem?


We'll see in the next few years but my guess would be the Yankees will win at least 1 WS in the next 3 years, perhaps more.

They have CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and my guess is that they'll sign Halliday after next season as well.

Some of their core players are getting on in age, but they'll replace those with the best available FA players as well. Not to mention what their farm system might produce. They never have to trade their top prospects because they can buy whomever they want.

I'm just happy the Cards don't have to play in the AL East.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 13:46 pm
Until the MLB installs a salary cap, the Yankees have no excuse not to win the World Series every year from hear on out.
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