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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 15:25 pm
It's true baseball should have salary caps like hockey but since people only watch hockey because of the brawls, who cares. Without the blood and gore, it's like watching flies buzzing around a carcass.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:30 pm

johnytsunami636 wrote

grazzhoppa wrote

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ya i would love to go out and get the 2 best pitchers in FA and the best offensive FA, i think its sick i really wouldnt want the cards to it i think its pathetic they cant grow talent besides steroid. who really didnt see them winning it once everyone saw that signing day the trophy was already in the case it just makes the hate grow for the spankees --- em.


So, are you saying you'd be upset had the cardinals signed cc and burnett? Should the cardinals check with the reds and pirates before they offer a big contract to holliday or jason bay or pujols next year? I can hear it now, 'we're not going to offer albert a big contract because that wouldn't be fair to the other less fortunate teams in our division'. as far as steroids go, arod stated he took them before he became a yankee and petitte used them to overcome an injury (the same reason ankiel took them). as far as home grown talent - posada, jeter, rivera, petitte, cano, joba and countless others they used as trade bait to improve their team. over the past fifteen years, the yankees home grown talent far exceeds the cardinals.


ok you can say that but without one of those three they picked up they probaly wouldnt win the title. i thinks its stupid that they can go out and throw money out that would be like the cards adding lincecum and cain from giants think about it.


Everyother team could go out and spend money if they wanted to.
Ask the Mets and Cubs how buying championships is working for them.
People :!: about the yankees payroll are just bitter.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:37 pm

breakthesilence322 wrote

Until the MLB installs a salary cap, the Yankees have no excuse not to win the World Series every year from hear on out.


wrong.

They can give the top pithcers all the $$$ in the world and all the top hitters millions but once they get to the playoffs it how the game is played.

You can buy your team into the playoffs but you cant buy a WS title.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:45 pm

dlarry wrote

You can buy your team into the playoffs but you cant buy a WS title.


You mean like the Mets and Cubs bought their way into the playoffs?
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:46 pm

pucknugget wrote

MLB is a joke. To even consider that each spring, all teams have a chance to compete cannot be said with a straight face.

Hockey has it right. You have a salary cap and a salary minimum. Of course baseball would NEVER have the balls to stand against the Yankmees and Red Sux and players union to enforce this policy.

It's not just the Yankee's or Red Sox the Royals and Pirates of MLB world want no part of it either.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:49 pm

birdonbat9 wrote

dlarry wrote

You can buy your team into the playoffs but you cant buy a WS title.


You mean like the Mets and Cubs bought their way into the playoffs?


well it doesnt always work
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:50 pm
All this talk about a salary cap. Look at other leagues that have salary caps. NFL? The Patriots, Steelers, Eagles, and Giants are always good, yet the Lions, Browns, and Raiders are perennial doormats.

The NBA? The Spurs and Lakers are always in it, while the Clippers and Hawks tend toward the bottom.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:53 pm

birdonbat9 wrote

All this talk about a salary cap. Look at other leagues that have salary caps. NFL? The Patriots, Steelers, Eagles, and Giants are always good, yet the Lions, Browns, and Raiders are perennial doormats.

The NBA? The Spurs and Lakers are always in it, while the Clippers and Hawks tend toward the bottom.


I think the clippers have blown more top 5 picks than the Lions have used top 5 picks on receivers.

I think a cap would help some teams but even with a cap if your ownership and GM suck the team is still going to suck
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 18:06 pm
The union will vote to ban negroes before they agree to a salary cap of any kind.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 20:46 pm

ChiefForever wrote

grazzhoppa wrote

johnytsunami636 wrote

ya i would love to go out and get the 2 best pitchers in FA and the best offensive FA, i think its sick i really wouldnt want the cards to it i think its pathetic they cant grow talent besides steroid. who really didnt see them winning it once everyone saw that signing day the trophy was already in the case it just makes the hate grow for the spankees --- em.


So, are you saying you'd be upset had the cardinals signed cc and burnett? Should the cardinals check with the reds and pirates before they offer a big contract to holliday or jason bay or pujols next year? I can hear it now, 'we're not going to offer albert a big contract because that wouldn't be fair to the other less fortunate teams in our division'. as far as steroids go, arod stated he took them before he became a yankee and petitte used them to overcome an injury (the same reason ankiel took them). as far as home grown talent - posada, jeter, rivera, petitte, cano, joba and countless others they used as trade bait to improve their team. over the past fifteen years, the yankees home grown talent far exceeds the cardinals.


Eh, that doesn't logic doesn't really make sense when you consider that 12 teams are between 75 million and 125 million, the Cards being one of them.

EDIT: Also, when you don't need to trade home-grown talent to acquire big time talent, you can hold onto guys from your system.

I really despise the argument that the Yankees are masters of drafting and developing...


I never said the yankees are masters of drafting and developing. I was responding to the statement, 'i think its pathetic they cant grow talent' that is included above for your viewing pleasure. It doesn't really matter if you despise it or not, it's pretty accurate.

And trust me, if other teams could spend as much as the yankees and still turn a profit, they'd do it in a heartbeat and the fans in each of those towns would love it. You're all kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 20:53 pm

johnytsunami636 wrote

grazzhoppa wrote

johnytsunami636 wrote

ya i would love to go out and get the 2 best pitchers in FA and the best offensive FA, i think its sick i really wouldnt want the cards to it i think its pathetic they cant grow talent besides steroid. who really didnt see them winning it once everyone saw that signing day the trophy was already in the case it just makes the hate grow for the spankees --- em.


So, are you saying you'd be upset had the cardinals signed cc and burnett? Should the cardinals check with the reds and pirates before they offer a big contract to holliday or jason bay or pujols next year? I can hear it now, 'we're not going to offer albert a big contract because that wouldn't be fair to the other less fortunate teams in our division'. as far as steroids go, arod stated he took them before he became a yankee and petitte used them to overcome an injury (the same reason ankiel took them). as far as home grown talent - posada, jeter, rivera, petitte, cano, joba and countless others they used as trade bait to improve their team. over the past fifteen years, the yankees home grown talent far exceeds the cardinals.


ok you can say that but without one of those three they picked up they probaly wouldnt win the title. i thinks its stupid that they can go out and throw money out that would be like the cards adding lincecum and cain from giants think about it.


I agree they probably would not have won it without one of those three. However, the point you were making was it was unfair that they signed them and my point was if the cardinals had signed them you'd be thinking differently.
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Post subject: Re: Buying a Championship
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 21:26 pm
A salary cap would hurt the bottom feeders as well as the top end teams because it would even out the money that is spent overall. The Pirates and Royals would have to spend more to field a team because the talent pool would be more spread out. They don't want it anymore than the Yankees or BoSox want it.

Besides, if you objectively look at the stats (which have already been shown on this thread) there is no correlation between high salary and World Series Titles. History just doesn't show that to be true.
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