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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:34 pm

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In December 2005, John and Furnish tied the knot in a civil partnership ceremony in Windsor, England. But, clarified the singer, "We're not married. Let's get that right. We have a civil partnership. What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people off, the word marriage."

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"I don't want to be married. I'm very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership," John says. "The word 'marriage,' I think, puts a lot of people off.

"You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships."



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I agree with him. I can say for myself the word "marriage" does indeed put me off as he would say when it refers to homosexual couples.

I am for equal rights for homosexual couples. I'm just hung up on the word marriage.

Also I know when he says "equal rights" he is referring to the laws in Great Britain.

Hopefully there comes a day when those equal rights exist here in the U.S., but without the word "marriage".

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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:35 pm
I'm not willing to settle.

But then I AM married. And homosexual.

Someone else's semantic hang-ups are not my problem.



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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:40 pm

stl1sportsfan wrote

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In December 2005, John and Furnish tied the knot in a civil partnership ceremony in Windsor, England. But, clarified the singer, "We're not married. Let's get that right. We have a civil partnership. What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people off, the word marriage."

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"I don't want to be married. I'm very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership," John says. "The word 'marriage,' I think, puts a lot of people off.

"You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships."



http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-11-12-elton-john_N.htm

I agree with him. I can say for myself the word "marriage" does indeed put me off as he would say when it refers to homosexual couples.

I am for equal rights for homosexual couples. I'm just hung up on the word marriage.

Also I know when he says "equal rights" he is referring to the laws in Great Britain.

Hopefully there comes a day when those equal rights exist here in the U.S., but without the word "marriage".


I appreciate your support of equal rights, but why allow semantics to bog this down? If my wife and I as heterosexuals are allowed a "marriage", I see no fair way to deny the same civil concept to a gay couple. Individual religions and churches can decide if they want to accept the validity of the marriage, but that distinction should be irrelevant in legal terms.

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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:44 pm

Haakon wrote

I'm not willing to settle.

But then I AM married. And homosexual.

Someone else's semantic hang-ups are not my problem.


Will be that way. If you really want your marriage to work, you need to settle down.

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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:45 pm

L ghthouse wrote

Will be that way. If you really want your marriage to work, you need to settle down.


Wink

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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:51 pm
The point that you are missing is that in England, there are civil unions that are the smae as marriage in every aspect. No such thing exists here. Since the secular/legal union of 2 persons in this coutry is "marriage" that is what is being fought for.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:51 pm
I agree. If I am hung up on the word "marriage" that's my problem. But elton John is right that the word is a bridge too far for some people.
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Post subject: Re: Elton John on gay marriage
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 15:58 pm

Kobe4rings wrote

I agree. If I am hung up on the word "marriage" that's my problem. But elton John is right that the word is a bridge too far for some people.



The other problem is playing out in Washington state. We (gays) should just shut up about getting "married" and accept being "civilly united" except that (1) there is no nationally recognized civil union laws and (2)a state (WA) tries to pass a CU law that is "marriage equivalent" that is also put up for a vote. As of now, it looks to be barely passing but WA is a mail-in ballot state and not all votes are in/counted yet.

So, we should accept something other than marriage, maybe....

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Post subject: Re: Elton John on gay marriage
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 16:03 pm

Billy Shears wrote

I appreciate your support of equal rights, but why allow semantics to bog this down? If my wife and I as heterosexuals are allowed a "marriage", I see no fair way to deny the same civil concept to a gay couple. Individual religions and churches can decide if they want to accept the validity of the marriage, but that distinction should be irrelevant in legal terms.


I see it as a lot of the supporters and advocates of equal rights allowing semantics to bog this down.

All sides seem to be hung up on the word "marriage".

We just have different mind-sets.

I will only recognize a marriage as being a commitment between a man and a woman. I am unwavering in my view of this.

What it boils down to me is social acceptance and equal rights vs. just equal rights.

I will never recognize a homosexual couple committed to their relationship as being married.

But I will accept that they do indeed deserve the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples.

Equal rights seems to be much easier to attain, rather than social acceptance in my opinion.

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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 16:04 pm
Never thought I would agree with Elton John 100% on anything, until this.

I am also of the camp that everything should be equal so far as the law and privileges for hetero and same-sex couples. However, the term marriage doesn't apply, so why fight for it? To offend the heteros out there?

That "semantic hangup" is truly the gays wishing to stick a thumb into the eye of the rest of society, just pure spite.

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Post subject: Re: Elton John on gay marriage
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 16:07 pm
It's that middle of the road position that I really don't get. I understand the treat everyone equal side and I think I understand those who are just generally anti-homosexual. I even understand politicians trying to straddle the fence with civil unions -- that's what politicians do. But I know a number of people who are vehemently, adamantly against gay marriage -- but are just fine with civil unions. It is just semantics so I don't understand those people at all.
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Post subject: Re: Elton John on gay marriage
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 16:09 pm

Thrawn wrote

That "semantic hangup" is truly the gays wishing to stick a thumb into the eye of the rest of society, just pure spite.


You may be right about that. I guess gays will only think it is equal if it is called 'marriage' even if a 'union' provides the same legal rights.

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