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Andy..........B
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Post subject: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:09 pm
"It's a market that provides opportunity," Mozeliak said of the coming free-agent pool. "What we experienced this past year is we traded a lot of players to put together our team for 2009. We're not working from the same reserve we had. We have to look at this (free-agent market) as our chance to improve our club. We've never relied on the free-agent market completely to do that, but we want to make sure we don't miss any opportunity."

We all know the cardinals philosophy is typically to avoid free agent acquisitions, but I'm wondering/hoping if this is Mo saying that they are planning to change their philosophy this year. A year ago I wouldn't have believed it but as aggressive as the team was last year it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:31 pm
Too bad there aren't too many free agents out there that are that exciting besides Bay and Holliday and they are too much.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:32 pm
Isnt this usually what we go through about evry offseason the front office baits us into thinking they are going to be major players in free agency and then come opening day its typically the same lineup as the year before
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:05 pm
They're working on new ways to say "We made a very
competitive offer. and it just wasn't enough".
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:24 pm
c'mon now, boys. this is a gm who is willing to put down some bucks for some quality guys. we gave up some quality players for holliday and derosa this past year. what makes you think they won't shell out some dough when the only obstacle is money? i think we'll make a run at bay. holliday won't sign with us, imo, but we'll get someone of worth. this is a new age of cards management. GO CARDS!!
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:26 pm
If the FO fails to sign Holliday, probably because he signs for buco bucks, that means that they have failed ?

Well, look at the bright side, we'll get BG back.

I miss that rascal, the cat knew his music. Cool
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:32 pm
LaRussa's preference for veterans and Mozeliak's decision to build through the minors clashed in the middle of last year, and it appears as long as they both are there, LaRussa's preference will win out.

The problem with last off-season was that the entire front office came out and said what their plan was and other vague statements when their plan failed. The best thing would be to bring back DeRosa & Smoltz, wait on Pineiro's asking price to drop, then sign Dye quickly if the Rays keep Crawford.

That would show a direction of keeping the working nucleus of 2009 together, minus Holliday, move swiftly to replace him with Dye, then hold the remaining funds to pay advances from arbitration and other contracts.
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:45 pm

Michael S. wrote

LaRussa's preference for veterans and Mozeliak's decision to build through the minors clashed in the middle of last year, and it appears as long as they both are there, LaRussa's preference will win out.

The problem with last off-season was that the entire front office came out and said what their plan was and other vague statements when their plan failed. The best thing would be to bring back DeRosa & Smoltz, wait on Pineiro's asking price to drop, then sign Dye quickly if the Rays keep Crawford.

That would show a direction of keeping the working nucleus of 2009 together, minus Holliday, move swiftly to replace him with Dye, then hold the remaining funds to pay advances from arbitration and other contracts.


A. It wasn't Mo's decision to build throught minors, it was DeWitt's.
B. Building from the minors doesn't always mean you're going to produce minor leaguers that play for the big club. Sometimes it means you develop them to use and trade bait. Sometimes, for the big club.
I liked Jocketty, but a team that wants to contend every year should strike a balance. I think that's what they are trying to establish here.
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 21:55 pm
If Crawford can be had, it will be to someone that has " A " chip prospects to offer ( think Adam Jones to the O's ).

Crawford is a top 10 player in MLB, nothing short of Wainright and change opens the discussion.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 22:17 pm
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but if the Cardinals strike out on Holliday and Bay (and there is a limit the Cardinals shouldn't cross) there's not a single player left on the free agent market worthy of a long term contract. If Holliday and Bay price themselves out of St. Louis' range, I hope the Cards focus on a guy like Xavier Nady or try to re-sign DeRosa. I would also hope that the Cardinals monitor the players who are non-tendered very closely. There will be some very good bargains to be had after the non-tender deadline has passed. And if that means the Cardinals enter the season next year with a payroll in the mid-$80 range, so be it. The Cardinals will have some major financial flexibility in-season next year if that's the case. The last thing management needs to do is hamstring the budget with a panic move if they lose out on Holliday and Bay.
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 22:19 pm
Nothing was done last year, even when the market bottomed out. The Carpenter resurrection was a miracle, as was Joel's sinker. If Pujols had agreed to Pallerta's suggestion about doing the surgery, DeWitt saves 8 to 10 million on insurances coverage, comes in forth place, loses Tony and Dave, and has the planning of 07 and 08 all come to fruition. Transition complete. Pujols and Carpenter blew them off that play. Albert's agent didn't take him to Andrews for no reason. What was proved was that Albert's ligament was fine, not severely torn or debilitated as suggested by Dr. P. Bone spurs were a result of obsessive repetitions in his warm ups and weigh training. They tried it, but Albert said no. Think of 09 if he had said yes. DeWitt is a lucky guy. He can't stop making money. He is in good position to still make a serious move on the payroll numbers, excuse being "the dry powder for Albert. There is a remote possibility the BD got a little taste of fan love and maybe a few endorphin highs off of being liked. Lets hope he is a junkie in the making.
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Post subject: Re: A telling bit from Mozeilak
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 22:31 pm
Aren't we left with going after the FA's? Didn't we just mortgage the farm to get Holliday and some others? If we don't pick up a top free agent, we are worse as a team than the year before. We will have little to 0 prospects left to trade later in the season. So we will go back to Pujols being walked every game 3 out of 4 times and all the pressure back on luddy. Plus we are going to lose starting pitching spots.
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