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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:50 am
Let me be clear on this point. I have read in a number of Threads that several of you want to let OJ go and Draft a Maybe Rookie?

My stance on this is simple. In the past we have made it a regular practice of letting proven talent leave this team, there by creating a hole and then drafting a high priced Rookie that very seldome works out or comes close to the player that we let go and there by setting us back talent wise and coin wise.

If you have a player as proven as OJ you don't create a hole in your team just so you can draft a player reguardless of what "YOU" or the so called experts say he will be come. If the hole already exsists then that is one thing, but do not weaken an already strong position on the speculation of otheres in hopes of such a small gain or none at all.

OJ is a top 5 Safety in this league and he has earned his coin. Use the draft to shore existing holes, don't shoot us in the head again because YOU THINK, some Rookie will be a superstar, we already have one in OJ, just pay him!

If it ain't broken... "DON'T FIX IT"...!
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Post subject: Re: About th 2010 NFL Draft.
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:04 am

Ram101 wrote

Let me be clear on this point. I have read in a number of Threads that several of you want to let OJ go and Draft a Maybe Rookie?

My stance on this is simple. In the past we have made it a regular practice of letting proven talent leave this team, there by creating a hole and then drafting a high priced Rookie that very seldome works out or comes close to the player that we let go and there by setting us back talent wise and coin wise.

If you have a player as proven as OJ you don't create a hole in your team just so you can draft a player reguardless of what "YOU" or the so called experts say he will be come. If the hole already exsists then that is one thing, but do not weaken an already strong position on the speculation of otheres in hopes of such a small gain or none at all.

OJ is a top 5 Safety in this league and he has earned his coin. Use the draft to shore existing holes, don't shoot us in the head again because YOU THINK, some Rookie will be a superstar, we already have one in OJ, just pay him!

If it ain't broken... "DON'T FIX IT"...!


There's a lot of YOU's in this post. I guess I'll have to add one more. If YOU think OJ is a top 5 safety in this league you are watching a different game than I am.

Like I said in a different post, it all comes down to how good YOU think OJ is. If YOU think he's a top 5 safety drafting a rookie to replace him is ridiculous like you said, but if I think he's a top 15-20 safety at best in this league franchising him is a big mistake.

Time will tell, we will see what Devaney ultimately decides. I am curious why he wasn't locked up long-term last offseason.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:08 am
One more thing, there are plenty of experts (just to be clear, those not on this forum) that think Berry is the best player in the draft.

Sadly I think you will eventually have to admit, that Berry may be better than Atogwe when he laces them up on Sundays.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:18 am
Whether OJ is atop five safety in the league or not, even though he probably is, really doesn't matter. If Berry is the BPA at the time the Rams pick. Take him.

The top safeties in this league are for the most part at least three years into their NFL careers. The Berry kid is on the team and you play Atogwe and after he [Berry] earns his stripes you have experience highly talented player ready for the big time.

Just can't figure out how a guy in the top three in the league in tackles, for last three years is isn't considered elite. LOL

Wonder why they franchised him?
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:23 am

luca54295 wrote

Ram101 wrote

Let me be clear on this point. I have read in a number of Threads that several of you want to let OJ go and Draft a Maybe Rookie?

My stance on this is simple. In the past we have made it a regular practice of letting proven talent leave this team, there by creating a hole and then drafting a high priced Rookie that very seldome works out or comes close to the player that we let go and there by setting us back talent wise and coin wise.

If you have a player as proven as OJ you don't create a hole in your team just so you can draft a player reguardless of what "YOU" or the so called experts say he will be come. If the hole already exsists then that is one thing, but do not weaken an already strong position on the speculation of otheres in hopes of such a small gain or none at all.

OJ is a top 5 Safety in this league and he has earned his coin. Use the draft to shore existing holes, don't shoot us in the head again because YOU THINK, some Rookie will be a superstar, we already have one in OJ, just pay him!

If it ain't broken... "DON'T FIX IT"...!


There's a lot of YOU's in this post. I guess I'll have to add one more. If YOU think OJ is a top 5 safety in this league you are watching a different game than I am.

Like I said in a different post, it all comes down to how good YOU think OJ is. If YOU think he's a top 5 safety drafting a rookie to replace him is ridiculous like you said, but if I think he's a top 15-20 safety at best in this league franchising him is a big mistake.

Time will tell, we will see what Devaney ultimately decides. I am curious why he wasn't locked up long-term last offseason.


I agree with you 100%. I have woundered why he has not been locked up to. Like you said, we will see at the end of the season, no one knows what BD and Spags are thinking.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:26 am

luca54295 wrote

One more thing, there are plenty of experts (just to be clear, those not on this forum) that think Berry is the best player in the draft.

Sadly I think you will eventually have to admit, that Berry may be better than Atogwe when he laces them up on Sundays.


Thats just speculation on your part, I don't tend to lean towards the maybe's. If we replace OJ then IMO it should be with a proven Vet with as much or more proven production as OJ has given us.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:29 am

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Whether OJ is atop five safety in the league or not, even though he probably is, really doesn't matter. If Berry is the BPA at the time the Rams pick. Take him.

The top safeties in this league are for the most part at least three years into their NFL careers. The Berry kid is on the team and you play Atogwe and after he [Berry] earns his stripes you have experience highly talented player ready for the big time.

Just can't figure out how a guy in the top three in the league in tackles, for last three years is isn't considered elite. LOL

Wonder why they franchised him?


I'm ith you Larry. The only thing I am thinking is that the they have to wait to lock him up till after the season for cap issues of some kind.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:44 am

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Just can't figure out how a guy in the top three in the league in tackles, for last three years is isn't considered elite. LOL



If the D-Line and the LBs and the CBs don't make the tackles, who is left to make them?

Seriously, I don't think anyone disputes that Atogwe is a good player, the question is whether he is a top 5 safety and will continue to be for the life of a 4-5 year contract. I don't know about next year, but I think Berry will be a better player in years 2, 3, 4 & 5. Will he be enough better to justify letting Atogwe walk and using our #1 for him? Only time will tell.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:55 am

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old larry wrote


Just can't figure out how a guy in the top three in the league in tackles, for last three years is isn't considered elite. LOL



If the D-Line and the LBs and the CBs don't make the tackles, who is left to make them?

Seriously, I don't think anyone disputes that Atogwe is a good player, the question is whether he is a top 5 safety and will continue to be for the life of a 4-5 year contract. I don't know about next year, but I think Berry will be a better player in years 2, 3, 4 & 5. Will he be enough better to justify letting Atogwe walk and using our #1 for him? Only time will tell.


I not sure I understand your logic. Your way of thinking then I guess we better be thanking what ever you thank that he can tackle.

Believe me..........we let this guy walk we will regret it forever. He is going to be paid. Here or elsewhere......he will be paid. I doubt that there is not one GM waiting to see what the Rams do with Oshiomogho. Like vultures on the line!

Thinking Berry will be a better player and him being a better player is two things. I don't think the pick would be a bad one at all but look at the Giants DBs. There are high draft picks on that squad who sat for a couple of years in the order to improve enough to preform at a NFL level.

He could be an exception to the rule but your best safeties all are tenured players.


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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:56 am

Ram101 wrote

Let me be clear on this point. I have read in a number of Threads that several of you want to let OJ go and Draft a Maybe Rookie?

My stance on this is simple. In the past we have made it a regular practice of letting proven talent leave this team, there by creating a hole and then drafting a high priced Rookie that very seldome works out or comes close to the player that we let go and there by setting us back talent wise and coin wise.

If you have a player as proven as OJ you don't create a hole in your team just so you can draft a player reguardless of what "YOU" or the so called experts say he will be come. If the hole already exsists then that is one thing, but do not weaken an already strong position on the speculation of otheres in hopes of such a small gain or none at all.

OJ is a top 5 Safety in this league and he has earned his coin. Use the draft to shore existing holes, don't shoot us in the head again because YOU THINK, some Rookie will be a superstar, we already have one in OJ, just pay him!

If it ain't broken... "DON'T FIX IT"...!


It Is Broken. We need upgrades all over the board. In all honesty. OJ has played better this year, but I don't know if it's what Spags wants. He's use to having strong FS and SS Play.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 10:00 am

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Ram101 wrote

Let me be clear on this point. I have read in a number of Threads that several of you want to let OJ go and Draft a Maybe Rookie?

My stance on this is simple. In the past we have made it a regular practice of letting proven talent leave this team, there by creating a hole and then drafting a high priced Rookie that very seldome works out or comes close to the player that we let go and there by setting us back talent wise and coin wise.

If you have a player as proven as OJ you don't create a hole in your team just so you can draft a player reguardless of what "YOU" or the so called experts say he will be come. If the hole already exsists then that is one thing, but do not weaken an already strong position on the speculation of otheres in hopes of such a small gain or none at all.

OJ is a top 5 Safety in this league and he has earned his coin. Use the draft to shore existing holes, don't shoot us in the head again because YOU THINK, some Rookie will be a superstar, we already have one in OJ, just pay him!

If it ain't broken... "DON'T FIX IT"...!


It Is Broken. We need upgrades all over the board. In all honesty. OJ has played better this year, but I don't know if it's what Spags wants. He's use to having strong FS and SS Play.


Atogwe is not one of the broken parts.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 10:01 am

Ram101 wrote

luca54295 wrote

One more thing, there are plenty of experts (just to be clear, those not on this forum) that think Berry is the best player in the draft.

Sadly I think you will eventually have to admit, that Berry may be better than Atogwe when he laces them up on Sundays.


Thats just speculation on your part, I don't tend to lean towards the maybe's. If we replace OJ then IMO it should be with a proven Vet with as much or more proven production as OJ has given us.


No question my second statement is a may be, but statement one is based on evidence. He's atop experts list of BPA.
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