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foofighter
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Post subject: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 03:50 am
On this health care business.
I might add that in my present state I would have more to gain than most, yet I am against yet more government control.
I would just like to know why people are for or against it based on their personal involvement.
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Post subject: Re: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 07:29 am

foofighter wrote

On this health care business.
I might add that in my present state I would have more to gain than most, yet I am against yet more government control.
I would just like to know why people are for or against it based on their personal involvement.


Bigger government to support for no net gain.
Prospect of it being an even larger burden than proposed.
I see the cost of my health care and insurance going up.

Foo, all I can say is . . .


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Post subject: Re: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 07:32 am
My wife and I already pay over $600/month for health care and I don't read anywhere in the proposals that the cost will decrease in the future. It can only drive the costs up since we'll now be paying for folks who either can't afford health care, don't want it, or don't think they'll need it.

Getting the government involved in anything has NEVER reduced the cost. Why is it that our "leaders" can't realize this? We need sanity back in Washington.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 08:07 am

theiceman wrote

My wife and I already pay over $600/month for health care and I don't read anywhere in the proposals that the cost will decrease in the future. It can only drive the costs up since we'll now be paying for folks who either can't afford health care, don't want it, or don't think they'll need it.

Getting the government involved in anything has NEVER reduced the cost. Why is it that our "leaders" can't realize this? We need sanity back in Washington.


That's right, this thing used to be about cost reductions so that more people could afford coverage. Now it's about squeezing as many people in as we can and raising the costs for those that can pay to cover those who can't.

I am for health care reform, and for getting minimum coverage in place for minors and elderly. But all of us who can cover ourselves should carry their own weight. You shouldn't just get it or get subsidized based on what you earn, you should be subsidized based on your potential to earn. And if you have reasonable potential (able-bodied and high school educated) you should not be subsidized.

I am concerned that we are just creating a more and more dependent state that lowers the overall initiative, lowers risk taking, lowers accomplishment.
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Post subject: Re: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 08:27 am
What's in it for me? Higher costs, longer waits, fewer choices, poorer service.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 08:35 am

Cardfaninhouston wrote

What's in it for me? Higher costs, longer waits, fewer choices, poorer service.



You need to stop listening to right wing radio. Rolling Eyes
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 08:35 am
I have what passes for good health insurance today. We contribute 47.31 a week thru an employer provided option. It isn't as good as it used to be, but it is adequate. Compared to a lot of other options others have to put up with today, it is very good coverage.
We are at a place where you hope the yearly raise is enough to cover the rise in the insurance costs each year. It is never enough to cover the increasing costs that we have to pay, but you hope the take home you have to pay it out of doesn't get clipped too.
And yet, every time I go by the hospital, all those Mercedes and such are still in the doctors parking lot. The hospital administrator still gets paid enough to finance a small township in most of our state.
I back the needed reform of the doctors having to come back to reality and make a living wage, not a royal wage.
I back negotiating drug prices with companies all over the globe.
I back lots of things that would be called reform in truth.

Since the current "reform" fixes none of the things wrong, I can not back it in anyway. All the current "reform" does is give free stuff to potential voters to prop up the democratic party. All it does is make honest citizens pay the bills for thugs and illegals so that maybe the thugs and illegals will vote democrat.

True reform has to offer an option outside the same old broken abusive system that will act as a check on the abuses of the present system. Until that is included, we are not even discussing health care reform at all. We are discussing mandatory health care premiums to be collected by law and given to private, for profit, companies and individuals.

That is a change, and I guess you could call it reform. It isn't healthcare reform tho!
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:29 am
I already have good health insurance so nothing will be changing for me. I dont believe any of the scare tactics that have been circulated by those who oppose. Really I dont believe there is anything in it for me personally other than a sense of satisfaction that our country did the right thing. In a country as wealthy as ours it is almost criminal that we dont provide everyoneone with basic health care.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:44 am
All I know, I need Medicare. As long as they keep Medicare, I don't care what my other insurance is. Right now it's Cigna, which is adequate. I used to have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. I thought I was in heaven.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:05 am
I'ts all about me. It's all about me and what's in it for me. Rolling Eyes No wonder the country and economy are so screwed up with attitude like that.

btw: if this country was a true capitalist economy, competition would drive prices down.
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Post subject: Re: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:22 am

FatRider wrote

I already have good health insurance so nothing will be changing for me. I dont believe any of the scare tactics that have been circulated by those who oppose. Really I dont believe there is anything in it for me personally other than a sense of satisfaction that our country did the right thing. In a country as wealthy as ours it is almost criminal that we dont provide everyoneone with basic health care.


That's nice, but what if tomorrow they said your premiums would increase by 30 percent over 2 years?
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Post subject: Re: What's in it for you?
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:23 am

foofighter wrote

On this health care business.
I might add that in my present state I would have more to gain than most, yet I am against yet more government control.
I would just like to know why people are for or against it based on their personal involvement.


I, myself, am against a government run program because I have had a first hand look into how bad Canada's system is. My uncle has needed new kidneys for the past 15 years. He was added to the "list" 15 years ago and 6 months ago he was told that he is now too old and will be taken off the list. He is 65. He was basically given a slow death sentence. Right now, none of us know what the eventual system will look like in the U.S. (including members of the House, there is NO WAY ANY OF THEM read all 1900 pages) but if there is the possibility that it will end up anything similar to the Canadian system, then its going to be a mess and I want nothing to do with it. Right now, I won't have to worry about it because I cover our guys with a private plan but who is to say that I won't be told down the road that I must get rid of the plan and go with goverment provided insurance. The way I see it, whether you have insurance or not, you can get basic health care right now. Why is there the need to cover everyone with a plan when there is not a single person in the U.S. right now who could not get treatment if they needed it?
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