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LIttleOne
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:18 am
Health Care Reform is STILL not passed. It only passed in the House, you still have the Senate and a possible Conference Committee. That being said, remember the POTUS' promise of no new taxes? WRONG!

There is a mandate in the bill for the states to increase the amount they pay on Medicare. This means a raise in Medicare Taxes FOR ALL in the State of Missouri! Not just the "rich," which I STILL can't get people like Claire McCaskill or Russ Carnahan to define.

My own physician has stated that he sees a number of Medicare patients. The reimbursement rates provided by the state/fed is barely enough to meet his expenses. With student loans to pay back, and other overhead like office staff, machines and so on, just how can a physician stay in business?

Has anyone else noticed the number of private physicians that have joined SSM or BJC lately? Surely I am not the only one that has noticed this. I believe it is because they are going to be given, by contract, a reimbursement rate for services w/o having to rely on a beauracrat(sp) making that decision.

All this craziness to address three things, accessability, affordability and portability!

There are not enough savings in the $500 billion in medicare cuts, lets call them what they will be, to pay for this bill. Do any of you in favor of this have an answer?

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:23 am
Don't worry about that. They'll just open up another printing press... After all, what do they care as long as they can kick that problem aside another 20 years or so, what do they care, many of the members of Congress will be dead or near dead and won't have to deal with it.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:29 am

LIttleOne wrote

Health Care Reform is STILL not passed. It only passed in the House, you still have the Senate and a possible Conference Committee. That being said, remember the POTUS' promise of no new taxes? WRONG!

There is a mandate in the bill for the states to increase the amount they pay on Medicare. This means a raise in Medicare Taxes FOR ALL in the State of Missouri! Not just the "rich," which I STILL can't get people like Claire McCaskill or Russ Carnahan to define.

My own physician has stated that he sees a number of Medicare patients. The reimbursement rates provided by the state/fed is barely enough to meet his expenses. With student loans to pay back, and other overhead like office staff, machines and so on, just how can a physician stay in business?

Has anyone else noticed the number of private physicians that have joined SSM or BJC lately? Surely I am not the only one that has noticed this. I believe it is because they are going to be given, by contract, a reimbursement rate for services w/o having to rely on a beauracrat(sp) making that decision.

All this craziness to address three things, accessability, affordability and portability!

There are not enough savings in the $500 billion in medicare cuts, lets call them what they will be, to pay for this bill. Do any of you in favor of this have an answer?


The Liberals in Congress (much less in this forum) have no answer to this question and they know it. But it's not about efficacy, it's about perceived equality, which is a primary tenet of the fool-hearty liberal ideology.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 09:33 am
The total lack of reporting on what is actually in this Bill shows just how far the Left-wing media has sunk their teeth into "mainstream" reporting.The proclaimation by Comrade Pelosi that this bill will not add a cent to the deficit is such a complete Lie that for her to even have the gall to say that,shows that the present leaders of this Country have no grip on Reality.I guess the Liberals hope that all of us will just forget the past(and all their failures)and wake up and see their Brave New World.If this Bill passes the Senate,...to quote a former Democrat,it will be "a date that will live in Infamy" for the economy of the USA. Its just insane.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:16 am

LIttleOne wrote

Health Care Reform is STILL not passed. It only passed in the House, you still have the Senate and a possible Conference Committee. That being said, remember the POTUS' promise of no new taxes? WRONG!

There is a mandate in the bill for the states to increase the amount they pay on Medicare. This means a raise in Medicare Taxes FOR ALL in the State of Missouri! Not just the "rich," which I STILL can't get people like Claire McCaskill or Russ Carnahan to define.

My own physician has stated that he sees a number of Medicare patients. The reimbursement rates provided by the state/fed is barely enough to meet his expenses. With student loans to pay back, and other overhead like office staff, machines and so on, just how can a physician stay in business?

Has anyone else noticed the number of private physicians that have joined SSM or BJC lately? Surely I am not the only one that has noticed this. I believe it is because they are going to be given, by contract, a reimbursement rate for services w/o having to rely on a beauracrat(sp) making that decision.

All this craziness to address three things, accessability, affordability and portability!

There are not enough savings in the $500 billion in medicare cuts, lets call them what they will be, to pay for this bill. Do any of you in favor of this have an answer?


It'll be funded the same way Bush's 3 wars were funded. BORROW beyond the ability to pay it back. DUH! Because of this the right wing partisan hacks have zero room to complain about the left wing partisan hacks. However, us 'normal' and sane people stuck in between each pile of rotting, decomposing whaledreck who'll pay the most. Evil or Very Mad

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:26 am

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The last time the House of Representatives tried to pass health care reform was at the beginning of the Clinton administration. That effort failed miserably, as committees squabbled over jurisdiction. This time, three committees produced nearly identical versions of legislation, putting those turf battles (mostly) aside. They got their work done quickly--well in advance of a self-imposed August deadline. And, most important, the legislation they produced was good.

Do not be fooled by the Beltway conventional wisdom, which has repeatedly treated House legislation as inferior to its counterpart in the Senate. If anything, the opposite is true. Should the House bill or something like it become law, the vast majority of Americans would have health insurance--protecting them from financial calamity and giving them access to medical care when they need it.

Republicans have repeatedly mocked the House bill because of its length. But there is a reason the bill needs so many pages: It's the product of thinking carefully about how best to design a health care system. The legislation has its problems; all legislation does. But at the level of detail--like, for example, the all-important question of how to design insurance exchanges--the House bill holds up extremely well.

And the bill pays for itself--not just in the first ten years, as the original version did, but in the future, as well. It may not do as much to reduce the overall cost of health care as the Senate bill would; in the view of most experts, that's the House bill's chief weakness. But it at least makes moves in the direction of cost-control.


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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:31 am

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And the bill pays for itself--not just in the first ten years, as the original version did, but in the future, as well. It may not do as much to reduce the overall cost of health care as the Senate bill would; in the view of most experts, that's the House bill's chief weakness. But it at least makes moves in the direction of cost-control.



So this bill is going to go out and get a job??? Otherwise how in the world is a bill going to pay for itself???

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:32 am

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It'll be funded the same way Bush's 3 wars were funded. BORROW beyond the ability to pay it back. DUH! Because of this the right wing partisan hacks have zero room to complain about the left wing partisan hacks. However, us 'normal' and sane people stuck in between each pile of rotting, decomposing whaledreck who'll pay the most. Evil or Very Mad


Spot on. The current group of liars in power from Obama all the way down to your state representative need to all go. Its obvious that there aren't people in the Oval office, Senate, or House that have a clue regarding economics. And it has been getting worse with each new president and congress. You'd think that none of these people have ever owned a credit card. Geesh.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:51 am

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It'll be funded the same way Bush's 3 wars were funded. BORROW beyond the ability to pay it back. DUH! Because of this the right wing partisan hacks have zero room to complain about the left wing partisan hacks. However, us 'normal' and sane people stuck in between each pile of rotting, decomposing whaledreck who'll pay the most. Evil or Very Mad


Spot on. The current group of liars in power from Obama all the way down to your state representative need to all go. Its obvious that there aren't people in the Oval office, Senate, or House that have a clue regarding economics. And it has been getting worse with each new president and congress. You'd think that none of these people have ever owned a credit card. Geesh.


Unlike you, I'm willing to give Obama more time to prove himself. We gave Bush 8 years and got screwed every year. Obama has been in office only 10 months, and not one single American passenger jet has yet to be deliberately crashed into any American building. The main problem is not the WH; not Congress but the poltical system and the general public. The 2 parties are using the country to play a power game and we are the pawns, the expendable game pieces. Sadly, many, far too many are blind and/or too stupid to realize this. Most of the Congresscritters have been in office many years. If they are so bad, so incompetent how is it that they keep getting re-elected? Who re-elects them? Says a lot about the intelligence or lack thereof of the American people.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:52 am
www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10688/hr3962Rangel.pdf

According to the CBO, after ten years the budget deficit will BE REDUCED BY OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS.

Seems like it is paying for itself, and then some. So what is your worry?

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:55 am

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www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10688/hr3962Rangel.pdf

According to the CBO, after ten years the budget deficit will BE REDUCED BY OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS.

Seems like it is paying for itself, and then some. So what is your worry?


Because the Dems decided to do something about it.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:56 am
The opponents to HC reform, and especially the OP, are not going to listen. Don't waste your time trying to explain anything to them.
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