"It's the product of thinking carefully about how best to design a health care system."

Careful thinking huh? How many Congressmen does it take to screw in a light bulb? This shows exactly what the liberal's goal is. A RE-design of the health care system. Make people more, not less, dependent upon the government.

Again I ask ANY of you liberal supporters of this bill to deny the fact that the states will have to pick-up the tab on the Medicare? A simple yes or no answer will do just fine, thank you!

Don't worry about that. They'll just open up another printing press... After all, what do they care as long as they can kick that problem aside another 20 years or so, what do they care, many of the members of Congress will be dead or near dead and won't have to deal with it.

More evidence of what it will cost and the tax that we were NOT supposed to be hit with.....

On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income.

You mean just like it is today, huh? Cut the individual income in half, the premium by 40% and that's what I'm paying now. So your point it what?

So no tax you say?

Funny, but I never hear the staunch supporters of sending 40,000 additional troops to Afganistan raise the question "How are we going to pay for it"?

I'd wager that if the war effort were changed to "Pay as you go" tax surcharges, these same whackos would be looking to bring every troop home next week!

It'll be funded the same way Bush's 3 wars were funded. BORROW beyond the ability to pay it back. DUH! Because of this the right wing partisan hacks have zero room to complain about the left wing partisan hacks. However, us 'normal' and sane people stuck in between each pile of rotting, decomposing whaledreck who'll pay the most.