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Post subject: House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 17:47 pm
WASHINGTON – The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.
Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt. House Democrats overcame their own divisions and broke an impasse that threatened the bill after liberals grudgingly accepted tougher restrictions on abortion funding, as abortion opponents demanded.

In Senate, the stumbling block is the idea of the government competing with private insurers. Liberals may have to swallow hard and accept a deal without a public plan in order to keep the legislation alive. As in the House, the compromise appears to be to the right of the political spectrum. ... continued - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:07 pm
drop the public option, add tort reform, and allow competition across state lines...do all that and Baraak get's to claim health care reform.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:10 pm

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drop the public option, add tort reform, and allow competition across state lines...do all that and Baraak get's to claim health care reform.


I agree about dropping the public option. Whatever they try to pass, it needs to get more people insured than the 3 million the Republican "alternative" put forth in the House does. That is just pathetic, and a waste of time.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:11 pm
Rolling Eyes Laughing I guess if the only people you talk to are Joe Lieberman and the Republican leadership, then you'd reach the same conclusion as the article.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:13 pm

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Rolling Eyes Laughing I guess if the only people you talk to are Joe Lieberman and the Republican leadership, then you'd reach the same conclusion as the article.


All Republicans + Joe Lieberman is all that's needed to stop the bill dead. And that's precisely what they've got. No Republican will vote for the public option, and neither will Lieberman.

It's time to give up on the public option. It's dead. It will not pass the Senate.

Instead, get the people insured however you can. The Baucus bill is a great place to start. Something along those lines can overcome the filibuster.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:17 pm
Senators have a lot more to lose. They get a 6 year contract as opposed to the 2 year deal of the representatives.

Becoming senator means winning an entire state, not just a small district.

Hopefully, this whole thing will die on the vine. Claire McCaskill isn't up again until 2012, but Kit Bond is retiring and his successor is going to have to run on a platform that Missouri will support.

Brother Russ Carnahan votes with Nancy Pelosi 99% of the time. Does Missouri really want Robin Carnahn as a Senator? She and her brother are cut from the same cloth. The chirping you hear is the canary in the coal mine. Wake up, folks!
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:20 pm

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Senators have a lot more to lose. They get a 6 year contract as opposed to the 2 year deal of the representatives.

Becoming senator means winning an entire state, not just a small district.

Hopefully, this whole thing will die on the vine. Claire McCaskill isn't up again until 2012, but Kit Bond is retiring and his successor is going to have to run on a platform that Missouri will support.

Brother Russ Carnahan votes with Nancy Pelosi 99% of the time. Does Missouri really want Robin Carnahn as a Senator? She and her brother are cut from the same cloth. The chirping you hear is the canary in the coal mine. Wake up, folks!


So you agree with the Republicans that it is acceptable for only 84% of non-seniors to have health insurance in this nation ?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:22 pm
Without the public option, which 70% of the country supports, then they should trash the whole thing and forget health care reform until after next year's election.

Keep the system we have, and watch the Republicans squirm next election for blocking what 70% of what the population wants. Health insurance premiums are going to increase 10% to 15% on Jan 1. That's what we'll keep getting from the private sector insurance companies. Private Insurance companies have no negotiating power with care givers or drug companies.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:32 pm

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Without the public option, which 70% of the country supports, then they should trash the whole thing and forget health care reform until after next year's election.

Keep the system we have, and watch the Republicans squirm next election for blocking what 70% of what the population wants. Health insurance premiums are going to increase 10% to 15% on Jan 1. That's what we'll keep getting from the private sector insurance companies. Private Insurance companies have no negotiating power with care givers or drug companies.


Why would you want 16% of non-elderly Americans to remain uninsured just because the public option failed to pass? The idea is to get the people insured, however it is done. What's important in the end, not the means. I can't believe you would want health insurance reform to die just because your favorite idea isn't included in it.

Why do you hate private insurance companies ? They are a business who employs many people, and they offer a needed service.

Obama's speech said that the important thing is the end, not the means. I'm sorry to see such opposition to this idea from the left wing of his own party !!!
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Post subject: Re: House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:41 pm

Davros wrote

beerster wrote

Without the public option, which 70% of the country supports, then they should trash the whole thing and forget health care reform until after next year's election.

Keep the system we have, and watch the Republicans squirm next election for blocking what 70% of what the population wants. Health insurance premiums are going to increase 10% to 15% on Jan 1. That's what we'll keep getting from the private sector insurance companies. Private Insurance companies have no negotiating power with care givers or drug companies.


Why would you want 16% of non-elderly Americans to remain uninsured just because the public option failed to pass? The idea is to get the people insured, however it is done. What's important in the end, not the means. I can't believe you would want health insurance reform to die just because your favorite idea isn't included in it.

Why do you hate private insurance companies ? They are a business who employs many people, and they offer a needed service.

Obama's speech said that the important thing is the end, not the means. I'm sorry to see such opposition to this idea from the left wing of his own party !!!


If the republicans want to employ their scorched earth tactics, then I guess the uninsured will have to continue to suffer. The Republican plans don't help anyone except for private insurance companies.

As more and more people, who are unemployed and have their Cobra benefits run out, see what the republicans have done, we might eventually over throw the obstructionist republicans and their big business bosses. We'll soon start to see a wave of bankruptcies and homelessness that will be directly attributed to loss of health care.
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Post subject: Re: House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:48 pm

beerster wrote

Davros wrote

beerster wrote

Without the public option, which 70% of the country supports, then they should trash the whole thing and forget health care reform until after next year's election.

Keep the system we have, and watch the Republicans squirm next election for blocking what 70% of what the population wants. Health insurance premiums are going to increase 10% to 15% on Jan 1. That's what we'll keep getting from the private sector insurance companies. Private Insurance companies have no negotiating power with care givers or drug companies.


Why would you want 16% of non-elderly Americans to remain uninsured just because the public option failed to pass? The idea is to get the people insured, however it is done. What's important in the end, not the means. I can't believe you would want health insurance reform to die just because your favorite idea isn't included in it.

Why do you hate private insurance companies ? They are a business who employs many people, and they offer a needed service.

Obama's speech said that the important thing is the end, not the means. I'm sorry to see such opposition to this idea from the left wing of his own party !!!


If the republicans want to employ their scorched earth tactics, then I guess the uninsured will have to continue to suffer. The Republican plans don't help anyone except for private insurance companies.

As more and more people, who are unemployed and have their Cobra benefits run out, see what the republicans have done, we might eventually over throw the obstructionist republicans and their big business bosses. We'll soon start to see a wave of bankruptcies and homelessness that will be directly attributed to loss of health care.


A bill without the public option could pass. The Baucus bill (according to CBO) insures 94% of the uninsured without the public option. It gets to the same end, it only doesn't employ your preferred means. You're the one who's proposing scorched earth tactics (public option or nothing). Lieberman would vote for something like the Baucus bill. There's no way he'll vote for the public option. Nor any Republican.
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Post subject: Re: House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:52 pm
2010 is only a few months away.

Talking about scorched earth is just reminding folks what happened last night in the dead of night.

Voting on something this important at 10:00 pm on a Saturday night just reeks of cowardice.

And the Post-Dispatch saved this big "piece of news" for A-5. If the Cardinals were in the World Series and won game 7 at 10:00 pm on a Saturday night, the Sunday edition would have had this all over the headlines.

Yeah, okay. Let's just see how the folks feel about all of this.

Sure.
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