The transcript from today's marathon chat with Post-Dispatch baseball writer Joe Strauss:
Joe Strauss: Apologies from the Tsunami. Logistics and computer issues caused a delay in the Big Wave. I'm sure the ChatHeads are salivating for feedback on the MVP vote, the Theriot deal and the upcoming Winter Meetings. Enough bluster from the host (as entertaining as it might be). Let's get to some full-contact chat.
Catman22: Joe, Why all this love for Tejeda? He is well past his prime and certainly a defensive liability at SS and 3B. Even now, I still can't see him being content to be a bench player. If he was forced to play full time due to an injured regular, wouldn't he be injured himself after 2-3 weeks?
Joe Strauss: The San Francisco Giants are going to find out. They've signed him to a one-year deal with a $6.5 million guarantee.
nickn: In observing you from this forum the past several years. you are to a fault very objective in telling us fans what you think even at the expense of the occasional ruffling of feathers of a Redbird player, coach or high ranking management figure. If anything you should be complimented for your cavalier writing style and not being a "homer". I even believe (and know you will correct me if I am wrong) you have stated for the record you were not even raised a Cardinals fan. Now it comes out that it was you who casted the lone 1st place vote in favor of Albert Pujols being most deserving to win the 2010 NL MVP. Certainly no shame in what you did as even Joey Votto himself seem surprised he won by such a large margin in what figured on paper to be a closer race. I am curious on your take on how this went down.
Joe Strauss: Votto represented a compelling story and, yes, played for a team that unexpectedly won it's first division title in 15 years. He also constructed a powerful season and obviously is a deserving winner. I believed when I cast my vote that Pujols had little chance of winning. That's fine. It's not a handicapping contest. The two players' offensive credentials were extremely similar. I saw Pujols win NL Player of the Month in August when his supporting cast collapsed. I also saw him play with numerous injuries for much of the season. Was it a vintage El Hombre season? Not quite, especially given his difficult May and the team's overall offensive inconsistencies. But Pujols' splits were certainly comparable to Votto while his counting numbers gave him the home run and RBI titles while he finished .012 behind Votto in the batting race. Though results weren't announced until after votes were cast, Pujols also was recognized as the league's best defensive (Gold Glove) and offensive (Silver Slugger) first baseman by NL managers and coaches. Yes, those votes can be flawed but I do believe they have some merit. Pujols was again extremely productive in "the clutch" and produced more GWRBI than Votto. I'm reluctant to get into comparisons because some may interpret it as a dig at Votto. Far from it. But again, even those who supported Votto voiced shock of the vote's disparity. That being the case, it's impossible to characterize Pujols as an undeserving candidate. I have little problem standing behind a vote for the game's best player when he constructed a statistical case at least on par with anyone in the league.
Chad Wheeler: Hey Joe, What do you see as a likely scenerio for our middle infield now? I read that it's likely a trade might still happen with Ryan. Does trading for Theriot effect who we might try to get and who are the most likely candidates? Thanks for your time, as always I enjoy reading the chat.
Joe Strauss: My information is that Ryan will be moved, likely sometime this month. The Cardinals need to obtain insurance for David Freese at third base. John Mozeliak is on record as stating his support for Freese as the Opening Day starter. However, significant ankle issues persist after Freese required surgery on both since August. A six-month rehab does not even guarantee his availability for the opening of camp. The Cardinals will acquire another left-side defender. Support exists among some to "kick the tires" on Mark DeRosa, since the Giants appear committed to Tejada and Sandoval on the left side. It's an interesting thought, but it doesn't fully answer a question of depth at shortstop. Thursday's non-tender date may provide additional options. The much-traveled Jerry Hairston Jr. is already on the market. He is not an adept third baseman but has played the position. He is a more comfortable SS/2B/OF type whose credentials are well-known to the Cardinals. It will be interesting to see how Daniel Descalso is used this spring given TLR's preference to put him at third base last September. A player such as Hairston offers some pop and versatility while Descalso could move between second base and third at Memphis. Matt Carpenter is not projected as a major-league alternative right now.
dub the beachcomber: I like the Theriot pick up, if for no other reason than he has base stealing skills. Joe, will Tallet automatically get the second LOOGY position, or will the team get another lefty to set up some competition? I know they need lefties in the minors too. Thanks Joe
Joe Strauss: Tallet appears locked in as the bullpen's second lefty. His contract ($750K) allows the club to cut its losses if his performance doesn't improve over last season in Toronto. A different league, a different ballpark and a different role should make him more effective. How much? We'll find out. His splits against lefts are impressive. However, a lefthanded specialist isn't always guaranteed the match-up the manager seeks. A reliever allowing 16 jacks to RH hitters in 77.1 innings is, well, staggering.
Scottie B: Oh great surf meister...Do you think that the trade for Theriot is part of a grand scheme by Tony to speed up the game (as he is a member of the commissioner's "let's have a high-profile work group study ways to improve the game and then do nothing" task force)...next move, trade B. Ryan--he of the lick a shoulder multiple times a bat? then the next move could be to be rid of Shoemacker--he of the re-strap the batting gloves twenty times a bat. and, ta da! faster games?! sorry, but this trade is no earth shaker for me....AND a former Cub to boot. In the spirit of Ebenezer Scrooge.....bah humbug....be well
Joe Strauss: Admire the bah humbug spirit but can't entirely sign off on the premise. Theriot has value. I'm reluctant to offer a categorical opinion yet because there is another move to be made. Mo' on Tuesday made a connection between Theriot and David Eckstein, a couple of "dirt players' considered overachievers. But for the sake of full disclosure, remember that Eckstein played alongside one of the game's most agile third baseman (Rolen) and for one year next to a dependable Mark Grudzielanek. Theriot, for now, is stationed between a converted outfielder (Schumaker) and a still inexperienced third baseman (Freese) with arthritic feet. That's not a rip. It's a potential issue.
mike: with a groundball pitch to contact staff and a team looking to improve its infield defense, how is Theriot going to help that at SS? It is not like you are putting Stephen Drew at SS, who will give you much better offensive numbers than Brendan Ryan.
Please tell me this is not the big offensive move this offseason?
Joe Strauss: I will say this: Mo' suggested Tuesday that Freese and Allen Craig project as the team's two additional 15-HR guys he mentioned the club "picking up" earlier this offseason. If both are healthy, those may be sound projections. But Freese's medical history is well-known, as is Craig's reputation as a defender. There's an argument to be made whether the club has compensated for the offense that left with Ryan Ludwick last July.
Johnny Hooker: Mighty El Diablo, With the rumored Cardinal interest in Lance Berkman, does that mean a wavering commitment to Craig/Jay in RF? It seems hard to believe there would be mutual interest in Berkman as a PH in STL. What's the FO thinking? Thanks for your thoughts.
Joe Strauss: Craig projects to receive a majority of playing time, making RF something other than a strict platoon. Jay's performance following the Ludwick trade gave the organization reason for pause. Yes, Jay can play a passable CF, a much-needed commodity within an organization heavy on LF types. But last July's rush to judgment about Jay's fitness as an everyday player may have been premature. Jay hit .266 last August, .218 in September. He produced coming off the bench but did not fare as well in so-called "high leverage" situations. Prior to last season he projected for many as a complementary outfielder. A larger sample size is needed before upgrading that evaluation. Berkman is likely to pursue a greater opportunity with an AL team. There is a desire to find another bat for the outfield (think Brad Hawpe).
CoOrS iS bEtTeR: What level of interest do the Cards have in Berkman?
Joe Strauss: Club source: Not front burner, but not ice cold, either.
tpatton: Can't see why Theriot was taken when he could have been a free agent. Was there teams lined up to sign him as a free agent. We have another player of his ilk already Schumaker-- why not save your bullets for Bartlett or another player and let Descalso or Green compete for a job. If he is a platoon with Schumaker or at 2nd that's just OK, but no way is he a SS for a championship team. YOu can trade your surplus relief and either sign a free agent or use Salas, Sanchez, etc next year but at least get an upgrade when you make a trade. i.e use your resources wisely. Motte for an everyday solid SS like Bartlett would work. Motte is replacable; then you can use Ryan or Schumaker in a package to save money to sign or trade for another player.
Joe Strauss: The club may be saving bullets for another left-side defender. It remains to be seen whether that addition will be depth or a potential starting SS. Mo' chose his words carefully Tuesday when discussing Theriot, terming him the team's starting SS "right now." You forget that Theriot did serve as Cubs starting SS when they won back-to-back division titles in 2007-08. He's not a stiff. However, it will be entertaining to watch those in the St. Louis media who threw in behind Brendan Ryan now shift stances as it appears Ryan will be moved. Ryan is an often spectacular defender who ranked as one of the game's worst offensive players last season. Tardiness and impolitic comments eroded his support among field staff and, yes, teammates. Don't lay it all on the manager. At one point Mo' was an unshakeable Ryan supporter. That position has clearly changed.
Theriot's value is that he can hit at the top of the order, is an adept baserunner and doesn't preclude the club from making another upgrade at either second base or short.
nickn: It would seem that the Cardinals have fairly big plans for Ryan Theriot as they do not generally acquire guys making $2.6 mil plus in the off season just to add depth to the bench. What do the Redbirds expect from Theriot that two teams (Cubs going with Castro and the Dodgers with Uribe) by each trading him over a span of less than 6 months both did not believe he was best for their respective future plans?
Joe Strauss: You forget to add the arbitration variable to the equation. The Dodgers were prepared to non-tender Theriot because of a projected $4 million salary. The Dodgers also employ Rafael Furcal at SS. Not bad. Again, one might withhold final judgment on the Theriot move until we see what happens next. The Cardinals aren't done. One thing is certain: the Cardinals aren't going to pay Theriot $4M to sit around. He's in there every day.
Stephen: Master of the Tsunami, As I read on the Theriot deal and the current state of the Dodgers' front office, I noticed that Russell Martin and LA appear destined to part ways this offseason. I know his offensive numbers have declined, but do you think that the Cards could kick the tires and see if he would be interested in a utility-role as Yadi's backup and also an insurance policy at 3B? He has played some 3B for LA when they wanted to get him out from the backstop but keep him in the lineup. Not sure he's ready to be relegated to such a role, he probably sees himself as an everyday catcher. What say you? Could he be used to spell Yadi, Freese, and even Albert from time to time?
Joe Strauss: The allure of serving as Cardinals' backup C is diminished by Molina's heavy use. Russell Martin is certainly not at the stage of his career where he becomes a caddy.
Bruce Miller: Joe; I love these chats. My question is about how you go about getting a quote from a player so quickly after a trade such as Theriot. How are you able to reach a player outside of the organization like this, so quickly to be able to get them to comment? Do you get reach them through their agents or how does that work? Thanks a bunch
Joe Strauss: In this case, the club made him available for a group interview. Safe to say, Theriot has personality. Locals will enjoy him.
thebeen13: How convenient of Mo to make a trade right before your chat. Does he get a kickback for that? Anyway, if we're judging the trade as of December 1, I think it's a good trade that made the Cardinals 25 man roster better. But, if Theriot is the main offseason attraction, I'd be a bit disappointed. What are the odds that the Cardinals' middle infield consists of some combiniation of Theriot, Schumaker, and Ryan come April? Have you heard of any other possible middle infield targets (or RF or 3B for that matter)? Thanks.
Joe Strauss: Again, Brad Hawpe may end up offering a fit as part of a RF mix. That, of course, would have ramifications for Jay. The Cardinals desperately need a veteran deterrent as a 3.5 outfielder. The club's interest in Berkman confirms they agree.
Tackleberry: JSL, What is your take on Jeter's contract discussions? Jeter is an absolute class act, a model athlete, but his request for years and salary are insane. Who has more pressure to deliver; the Yankees in keeping Jeter the face of the organization or Jeter to maintain his great legacy as a Yankee for Life?
Joe Strauss: The Yankees helped create the situation by paying top dollar for mercenaries. When the face of the franchise reaches free agency, it's not surprising he expects a degree of deference. However, Jeter is no longer an $18M/year player, and certainly not a $23.5M/year player. He's arguably no longer a $10M/year player. He's not going to get a monster deal anywhere else. He needs the Yankees and, yes, the Yankees still need him. The sides will get there. Your description of Jeter as a class act is accurate. But it is interesting that one of only a handful of times in his career the iconic Jeter is taking punches from NY media. By comparison, talks with Mariano Rivera have remained relatively low key.
Randy Murschell: Hey Joe, I would love to see the Cards pull off this blockbuster Rasmus and Lohse for Greinke, this would give them the best rotation in the NL and I think KC would do it howabout the cards? I would then have a platoon of Jay and Schu in center, sign Berkman to platoon with Craig and O-Hudson for 2nd base. I think this all could be done and still stay in the cards salary structure----possible?
Joe Strauss: Lohse has a full no-trade. He's making more than $11M next season. All those playing the baseball version of CandyLand lose a spin for harping on any deal involving Lohse.
iowacardsfan: Oh Great Rider of the Wave, I'm perplexed by the Theriot deal. Like Bernie, I think he slots in well as a utility player (spot start, fill a need at short and second). But to suggest he become the Cards' starting SS in 2011 does not satisfy the need for significantly upgrading the offensive prowess required at that position. I was hoping Mo would pursue a Stephen Drew-caliber player, one that would clearly better meet those needs. Please say it ain't so that Theriot will be filling the 6-hole on a day-to-day basis next season!
Joe Strauss: Actually, Theriot may fill the No. 1 or No. 2 spot in the order next season. Look, Theriot would be replacing the reincarnation of Mark Belanger. He IS an offensive upgrade over a guy who hit .223 last season and was twice benched by his manager for pouting. I'm a Ryan honk due to his spellbinding defense. But those who base their opinion on Ryan's .292 average in 2009 are missing it. This isn't solely a statistical issue. It's also a clubhouse matter.
The trade of Hawksworth does not preclude continued interest in a Drew/Bartlett/Hardy type at shortstop. However, given Theriot's comments Tuesday, such a move would prove disappointing to a player who clearly prefers playing SS over 2B.
KBF: Hi, Joe. OK, it's still early, but looks to me like the Cardinals have concluded that last year was a fluke. Unless we see some mega-Rasmus deal, there's not going to be the big shake-up that Mo hinted at during the season. I fail to see how getting rid of Marty Mason and adding Ryan Theriot is going to improve the OBP at the top of the line-up or help us hit the Bud Norrises of the world better. Do they really seem to think that more depth was the only problem? Are you surprised that more hasn't been done, or am I being impatient?
Joe Strauss: For now, I'll call you impatient. I anticipate two more complementary moves for a left-side infielder and an outfielder. (The backup catcher is incidental.) It's been stated before. This team is not going to make long-term commitments to any player until the Pujols issue is resolved. The club is also reluctant to trade its top prospects and, frankly, there doesn't appear to be much of a market for its secondary ones.
Lee H: Joe: Why have the Cardinals developed such a fascination with limp-wristed shortstops? Cesar, B. Ryan, now Ryan Theriot? At least B. Ryan is a phenomenal defender. Now, we're giving up that defense for a negligible offensive "upgrade?" This move stinks and looks like a huge cop out by the front office. Theriot is cheap, plain and simple. I see the Giants went out and spent a few bucks on Tejada... We were told we'd get an upgrade, how is this an improvement at all? I long for the days of Edgar Renteria.
Joe Strauss: So noted.
rrandallflowers: Enjoy Bernies columns however, he missed it this morning. Theriot is an upgrade offensively at 2 positions, leadoff hitter and SS. Throw in that he is still an upgrade coming off his worst year over both positions last year for us. He has better 3 & 4 hitters behind him now so he should approach his best year when he had an obp 0f .387. Secondly he is an excellent baserunner, (how many times did we lose runners on the paths last year) and he can bunt a runner over with less than 2 outs, which Ryan was terrible at. I will take these upgrades over Ryans sometimes spectacular defense while often having mental lapses.
Joe Strauss: It's fair to say the Theriot deal evokes different perspectives. He does strike some as an Eckstein-type player. What's troubling is that a club that once enjoyed remarkable stablity at a pivotal defensive position has now adopted a rental policy at short.
The Khalil Greene trade remains a splotch on Mo's resume, a failure in scouting. Ryan was a fallback. Unless you're a Pete Kozma believer, the club needs to find a long-term solution at the position. My hunch is that Theriot projects as a second baseman in 2012 (if they can sidestep his third go-round at arbitration by negotiating a 2-year arrangement before March). At that point the Cardinals will have employed Eckstein, Izturis, Greene, Ryan and Theriot as starting SS in a five-year span. That's not a typical blueprint for a contending club.
bpage: All Hail the Chatmeister. Since Ryan Ludwick is a free agent, I would think that San Diego would want to re-sign him so that they wouldn't look like they lost anything in the trade. On the other hand, because he did not hit as well as expected during the second half, they may not want to pay him as much as may have been thought at the time of the trade. I have thought that if San Diego doesn't make the effort, or he otherwise stays on the market for a long time, do you think there would be any merit to the Cardinals throwing a low-ball contract his way?
Joe Strauss: Ludwick is NOT a free agent and, according to Padres GM Jed Hoyer, there are no plans to non-tender him Thursday. That train has left the station.
cardinals_99: Joe, did you see a potential Brendan Ryan trade coming? The guy has nothing but upside! Youth,speed,range! Sure he had a bad year at the plate but is that an aberration? How can you bail so quickly on his upside? Is this one of several "personality clashes" between TLR and players and will this hurt the Cardinals in 2011 instead of helping?
Joe Strauss: I'm not bailing on anybody. I'm merely trying to present the circumstances that brought the situation to this point.
DaveinLA: Mighty Joe Strauss! Given the ups and downs in his history, what do you think the Cardinals can reasonably expect from Theriot in 2011?
Joe Strauss: Theriot is a career .284 hitter with a .704 OPS. The Cardinals would take that from a position that offered a league-low .221 average and .600 OPS last season. (League averages at the position were .266 and .711.) If Theriot is Eckstein defensively, the Cardinals will take it.
Aaron: Joe, thanks for doing the chat. I know you hate it, but I called the theroit on Monday's chat (sorry not with you). This morning I am going to call the next upgrade - Kelly Johnson for second base. This will allow for more pop 15 - 20 HR player and Skip can play all over the place and be the 5th OF in case Craig and Jay dont work out. If a great deal for Colby comes up Skip can play CF. I think it is a win - win and trading Ryan and a bullpen arm might be enough, as they were looking a Ryan already with the Drew talk. What do you think?
Joe Strauss: Plausible, but it doesn't address the need for left side depth. Adding K. Johnson would also add to a lineup that offers mucho strikeouts and double plays. When you say Schumaker would "play all over the place," his place would become a spot on the bench or part of a time share with Craig in RF. More likely, he would be dealt.
RichardRutledge: How likely is it that Ryan is traded as part of a package for more middle infielders? Maybe send him to Minnesota with a prospect for Hardy? Also, would the Cardinals move Skippy back to RF and let Theriot play 2nd w/ Hardy or other acquisition at short? I'm not interested in what makes sense, just wondering what your understanding of the front office's plan is. Thanks for the chats!
Joe Strauss: Mo' used the term "flexibility" when addressing Theriot Tuesday. I took that to mean the Cardinals are open to acquiring another SS type who could also play 3B in a bind. Again, Descalso may represent an emergency, short-term option at third base if the Cardinals can indeed land another SS.
resignholliday: The trade doesnt seem to be an upgrade but more of a scare tactic for Ryan to put up or sit down or get traded whats your thoughts on the move and how the will best utilize the Riot? Thanks for your time
Joe Strauss: $4M is a lot to commit to "a scare tactic." There's a better chance that Ryan develops an affinity for Inner Harbor crab cakes next summer than receives significant time as Cardinals SS.
rj: JOe: I seem to remember a guy named Dal Maxville who played a pretty good shortstop and had a golden glove. I hope the cards and LaGenius reconsider just giving the shortstop job to Theriot and letting Ryan go. I just don't like giving up defense like that. Your thouoghts????
Joe Strauss: The game was much different then. Shortstop has not been viewed the same since players like Ripken, Trammell and Rodriguez made clear it can be an offensive position as well. To classify this as merely a TLR mandate is missing a number of factors. Those who work the Cards clubhouse know support for Ryan is decidedly mixed.
GeorgeMCohan: Two things: 1 - In all the speculation about whether the new-giant miguel tejada would be a cardinal next year, I didn't see even one p-d staffer or any posters object to, or even mention, the fact that tejada's a juicer. After all the criticism and breast-beating and phony moral self-righteousness about McGwire becoming a mere batting coach last year, the hypocritical silence on tejada is thunderous. Not to mention that tejada, juice and all, is through. Turning a blind eye, sports guys? 2 - There was a lot of stuff written about the "landslide" mvp vote in the NL. But the reality seems to have been that most voters, and most non-cardinal fans looking at it objectively [I realize, or understand, that you wre the lone vote the other way] believed that Votto had a little bit better season than pujols, or at least as good, and was more of a reason than any other player that cincy reached the playoffs, so it wasn't surprising that most voters, even all but one, voted for Votto. But that's a "landslide" only in the electoral college sense. In a presidential election, if one candidate wins every state by less than one percent of the vote, it would be an electoral college landslide; but it isn't even close to meaning that the country overwhelmingly prefers the winner. And aren't different mvp standards often used in different years?
Joe Strauss: Huh?
Ryan: What happened to pursuing Miguel Tejada and Juan Uribe? Doesn't seem like we made a solid attempt on either of them?
Joe Strauss: Uribe proved no bargain at 3y/$21M. Years and AAV both seem heavy, no pun intended. The Giants were more aggressive regarding Tejada as the Cardinals appeared more set on trading for a SS. It will be interesting to see how well Tejada holds up if asked to play 140 games at SS as a 37-year-old. (He started only 57 games at the position last season.)
kozel: Dear JSL!!! In the event that Brendan Ryan is still in a Cardinals uniform in 2011, what do you think the chances are that he becomes converted to a defensive super-utility type? In your estimation, do you think he has the ability to translate his defensive skills at SS to 3B, 2B, and possibly elsewhere? Does his previous experience at the other positions indicate a potential room for improvement? Thanks, and I'll hang up and listen to you talk.
Joe Strauss: Ryan is out of options, is arbitration-eligible and no longer projects as a starter. That's a tough carry. He is also admittedly uncomfortable at third base. Again, it appears the organization's preference to move him.
marpdagn: Hey, Joe. Is it your gut feeling that MO still wants either Bartlett or Drew, depending on the price, or is he planning on Theriot being the starting ss? Also, if AP negotiations don't go well, do you see the Cards trading him at the break or just letting him walk and taking the picks? thanks.
Joe Strauss: It serves no purpose for Mo' to say he is still seeking another SS. Such a statement disses Theriot as a SS and would tell Schumaker that he is not the first choice at 2B. That said, I don't believe the Cardinals are done "kicking tires" on middle infielders.
kozel: Hey Joe, Now that the Mariners have confirmed their intention to non-tender Jose Lopez, do you see him as an option for depth at 3B/2B and decent pop off of the bench? Seems an ideal fit, no? Cheers!
Joe Strauss: The Cardinals will scrutinize the non-tender list. It's doubtful Lopez becomes a possibility unless the club turns away from Freese. Lopez also has averaged more than 625 plate appearances the last five seasons. Though he played shortstop as a rookie, Lopez doesn't project there any longer. It's more likely whomever the Cardinals next acquire must play a competent SS.
rtillitt23: Hey Joe, I think the Theriot move was OK. I would like to see them package Ryan and Craig/Jay and get a power hitting shortshop. Move Skip to right and Theriot to second. Are there any power hitting 2B/SS out there to be dealt?
Joe Strauss: Not for the package you propose.
card_in_nc: Heee's Baack! Welcome back. You were missed. Anxious to read all you have to share. Should be an interesting day. Concerning injuries. Waino is bueno. Westbrook is expected to have a normal off season minus hitting. Carp is resting and healing. Freese is on schedule. Penny is...well the hell is Penny? Given managements lack of candor regarding injuries or the medical staff's misdiagnosis, should we prepare ourselves for one of these guys in addition to Freese to miss opening day? Our record on recovering from injuries hasn't be grand. Any news?
Joe Strauss: Freese's availability for spring training is classified as a good bet by the organization. He is walking without a boot and without a limp. Good news. His rehab is being supervised by the Colorado surgeon who repaired his ankle. So far, news is good. Westbrook may be limited somewhat in non-pitching activities early in camp but is not considered an issue. The issue regarding Freese is his durability. Multiple ankle surgeries have compromised his range and balance. To what degree, we'll find out in February and March.
Jeff: I like Theriot as a super utility guy, but I still think they should pursue Barlett or Drew. Do you think there is any chance they still look to upgrade even further there and if you do would you support either of those players?
Joe Strauss: The Theriot moves provides excellent cover to pursue another SS type. Not saying that's what will happen, but the Cardinals still have the pieces to acquire Bartlett (and perhaps Hardy) if they desire.
Joey: Do you think we will pick up any big named pitchers this off season?
Joe Strauss: Jake Westbrook. Done. Finis.
Chuck Long Island: Joe, glad your back, missed the chat last week. Did STL trade for Theriot after Tejada signed with SF or is there another reason why STL passed on Tejada? As always, thanks!
Joe Strauss: The Tejada deal was in the works before trade talks accelerated with the Dodgers.
vikelt: Joe, do you agree with what appears to be the decision to get rid of Brendan Ryan? The stats cited by DG and BM seem to militate against replacing him with Theriot. I also note that Ryan righted things a bit offensively in the 2d half last season, hitting .252. I think he may do better this year but isn't that number bearable given his defense and the Cards reliance on ground ball pitching? What say you?
Joe Strauss: Again, the decision regarding Theriot/Ryan wasn't based solely on numbers. When clubhouse leaders become dissatisfied with a role player, the outcome is predictable. Splitting hairs about how often a guy goes first-to-third aren't overriding factors.
Tonyhan: Earlier Matt Holliday stated that he would move to right field if it were to help the team improve. I've read that the Cards have "kicked the tires" on Lance Berkman. Any possibility LaRussa takes Matt up on his offer, and moves him to right for Berkman in left? Berkman would also give Albert the days off he needs. Thanks and love the chats.
Joe Strauss: The possibility of Holliday moving to RF is in play should the club acquire Berkman. But, again, Berkman appears a better fit as a 1B/DH/OF.
Cardiger: Who appears to be a front runner to replace an injured starter this coming year?
Joe Strauss: Lynn and Walters. Depth there remains an issue.
jlbrach: The trade for theriot has me scratching my head....if the intention was to play him at second base and upgrade the shortstop positions with a bigger bat I would be on board but to have an infield of freese....theriot,shumacher along with molina behind the plate simply is not going to get it done offensively......theriot is a downgrade defensively and a marginal improvement offensively,please tell me there is more to come?
Joe Strauss: There is more to come.
timmytwoshoezzz: Thoughts on the Cardinals going with a middle infield defense of Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot? For a pitching staff with the highest ground ball rate in the league last year, the middle infield lineup is a little worrisome to say the least.
Joe Strauss: I understand your concerns. The Cardinals insist their defensive metrics justify projecting Theriot at short. Again, Theriot may be considered a complementary player, so it's difficult to judge his value until we see the entire clubhouse. Right now, the Cardinals' only other shortstop possibility (Ryan) is a player they plan to shop. Let's see who they add as left-side depth. This team does remain thin on LH power. It's a reason why players such as Berkman and Hawpe fit. Hawpe carries an .890 career OPS vs. RHP. Yes, he went into steep decline last season and experienced a weird reverse split. However, he may represent low-hanging fruit with significant upside for a team with depth issues.
Ryan B: Pujols will be signed by January 1st. True or False?
Joe Strauss: False. Maybe by the 15th.
BDAx2: We all know Peter Angelos is unpredictable at best, but would Allen Craig, Brendan Ryan, Fernando Salas for Luke Scott get his attention? Is a bat for RF a possibility for Cards or are they 95% set on Jay/Craig?
Joe Strauss: Ryan fits with the O's. I doubt the Cards can pry Scott from them. For now, Salas appears the favorite to inherit the Hawksworth role.
cardsguy71: Joe, Any word yet on the Pujols contract negotiations?
Joe Strauss: Approaching... rapidly.
sheckmen: When MO reference adding two bats with 15-20 HR's was he talking about career HR's (see Theriot)
Joe Strauss: That's a game misconduct. To the sin bin.
chitowncardsfan: Any chance the Cards bring back Suppan as a long reliever/6th starter now that Hawksworth is gone? He pitched better than his record would indicate in 2010. Also, any chance the Cards carry 3 lefties in 2011?
Joe Strauss: Suppan wants a starting opportunity. I don't see that here as of now. The Cardinals may acquire another LH on a minor-league deal. With the glut of RH relief arms, it's difficult envisioning a third LH, especially with McClellan's ability to deal with LH bats.
Kevin: Joe, Please tell us that Mo will not do any bottom feeding to fill out this roster. The St. Louis Cardinals franchise is a proud organization and that is a direct insult to those of us that have stood by for years...before Mo's time and after it. Thanks - Kevin
Joe Strauss: The franchise drew more than 3.3M in 2010. Like it or not, that is the ultimate referendum.
BW52: Mr Strauss Any info on backup catchers being considered.Could the Cards have interest in Andy LaRoche the 2B-3B cut loose from pirates?
Joe Strauss: LaRoche has stirred interest locally before. He's available. He also has a career .338 slugging percentage while primarily playing 3B.
Beaner: Master of the waves,
So Mo wants to dump Ryan. Fine and dandy. With all of the less than flattering remarks on Mr. Ryan from the manager, do the birds get value in return for him? Who do you see as a target?
Joe Strauss: A low-cost extra OF or a projectable minor-league starting pitcher.
Matt S: Joe, If the cardinals are "kicking the tires" on DeRosa, what will it cost them? More players or is he free agent?
Joe Strauss: DeRosa's salary ($6M) is enough that he would require little in return. After giving up Chris Perez and Jess Todd for him in 2009, how bad would it look to surrender significant talent for him again? DeRosa has had two wrist surgeries in less than two years. He's not a sure thing. He is a great clubhouse fit. The Giants may wait to see how Sandoval emerges from his fat farm experience before cutting DeRosa loose, however.
irksomenat: Is there any chance the cards could get ahead of the moneyball curve ? We're so 20th century. When all indications are the game is moving back towards pitching and defense (not to mention adult sized ballparks like Seattle's ..but that's another issue ), we look to have substandard defense EVERYWHERE in our outfield and at the two most critical infield positions, not to mention the question of 3b. Is that all we have in the minors ? - big, lumbering , "can't play d so stick 'em left" guys ? Are we THAT far behind the curve ......or way ahead of the next cycle of fat boys that slug ?
Joe Strauss: The Cardinals admit a need to become more athletic within their system. A player like Adron Chambers, a former 38th round pick, is an intriguing talent. The Cardinals have become known for "bat guys" who don't project. This year's first-rounder, Zack Cox, already on a major-league contract, has stirred debate about whether he is "another Wallace." My guess is the Cardinals will hold onto him a little longer than Wallace.
fredbirdfollies: Oh Mighty Chatmaster, I've heard that Benji Molina is kicking the tires about playing another year. If that's true, do you think his consideration of retirement, age, and offensive plus side are enough to make him a Cardinals backup candidate? Would playing his last year (or so) with his brother make it seem more appealing? I just think a Molina/Molina tandum would be terrifying to the rest of baseball. Thanks for the insight and supreme wisdom that the tsunami brings.
Joe Strauss: It would be terrifying. But I question whether the Cardinals would commit more than $1M to a player who projects to make 30 starts. It would make a good story, though. B. Molina also regarded as outstanding clubhouse presence.
The Voice of Reason: Could you do me a favor and ask everyone to please calm down?
Joe Strauss: No way. Bad for business.
D. Fonke: I do not really see why there is so much debate over this Theriot trade. The Cardinals gave up something they didn't need and could easily replace. Theriot is much more valuable to the club then Hawksworth was or ever will be. Theriot has had success in the leadoff position as well as a more consistent batting approach then B. Ryan. I like B. Ryan, but let's face it. There was no seen improvement in his attitude or his batting stance. If it can't work, it can't work. I still wonder if players had set-backs last year because of Mac. Even the year before both Ryan and Schu got off to horrible starts after training with Mac. I don't think Mac should be the one to coach Brendan. I think he has a lot of potential. Plus, I hate the TLR love for Schumaker. Sure, he improved much better over the season, but his defense could be questioned like Ryan's offense. Even his attitude was the same as Ryan's. No respectable player wants to struggle. I bowl and have been struggling for about a year now. TLR and the organization can't understand frustration? If I was Ryan I'd be upset too about TLR praising Schu everywhere and Ryan getting all the blame. Sorry about the long rant but its frustrated me for awhile now. I wish we never got Mac as a hitting coach I'm not a fan of that decision or letting Jockety go but that's another rant for another time.
Joe Strauss: Rant noted.
southside: After now having spent a full season with the Cards, how do you project Holliday doing this year? He had a rough start this first year. Do you see a solid, consistent year in front of him from start to finish?
Joe Strauss: Holliday is among the most consistent run-producers in the NL. Watching him for an entire season, I gained a great appreciation for his defense. Holliday won't win style points in left field but he gets the job done. The fact that his teammates voted Holliday the Kile Award indicates his place in the clubhouse. A good fit.
Bob White: Mr. Strauss, Just saw Nationals are shopping Ian Desmond. Any chance Mo is discussing a trade with Washington? Care to give us odds on a Brendan Ryan plus RH reliever for Desmond?
Joe Strauss: The Nationals and Cardinals have talked. Desmond is an intriguing talent. But those who convulse over Theriot at shortstop doubtless missed Desmond's 34 errors in 149 games last season. Desmond's future may reside in the OF. The Nationals won't deal him at a discount. In some ways, Desmond is the Nats' Rasmus.
Stefano: Good Evening Chatmeister, greetings from Italy. I've been in St. Louis this summer to see the Cards and had a wonderful time! I'm always excited about the offseason (well, not as excited as opening day) and curious about our moves. Do you think we have a chance of landing Lance Berkman to man a corner outfield spot? It looks like a long shot to me, but he said the Cardinals expressed interest and he seems one of those solid, hard working players Tony likes. Also, do you think he could play RF/LF without being too much of a defensive liability? Actually, he could also be an insurance 1st baseman should the sky fall and Albert elect to break our hearts and take his talents somewhere else. Cheers! P.S.: Greetings to the Busch Stadium crew, I had a wonderful time there in August and even got a game-used baseball as a gift after the game ended. :-)
Joe Strauss: Love the international flavor. Berkman is not a good outfielder. He has had significant injury issues in recent years. His production has eroded badly the last two seasons. As for body type? His nickname is Fat Elvis. Healthy, Berkman has been one of the game's most productive hitters for more than a decade and finished among the top five in MVP balloting four times. But any club has to make sure it isn't paying the 2011 Berkman his 2008 value. He made $72.5M the last five years. He has played only 73 games in the outfield in that time. Without first base as an outlet, he seems an awkward fit. Of course conspiracy theorists believe Berkman's value to the Cardinals would be as a fallback 1B should El Hombre depart after next season. The ChatMeister, of course, is not a conspiracy theorist.
Eric: Hey Joe, I know it may be difficult to pull off, but have the Cards checked in on Jose Reyes at all? He would provide solid defense as well as be the ideal leadoff hitter. Is there any chance they could make a deal for him without including Shelby Miller? A package around Ryan, Lynn, a RHP, and Cox would maybe sound interesting for a rebuilding club. Seems this would be something definitely worth checking into. Thanks
Joe Strauss: Was recently told by a club source the Cards are not players for Reyes.
cardsguy71: Joe, You stated that Pujols might be signed by the 15th. Is that December or January? Thanks.
Joe Strauss: January... and, yes, that's 2011.
Joe Strauss: That's going to do it for today's Marathon chat. We'll do this again next week. Check the site for possible bonus chat during the Winter Meetings, when the Big Wave quadruples in size. Thanks again for your questions and opinions. As usual, WM week is among the busiest of the year. The team isn't done. Anticipating at least one more significant move before meetings end. Thanks again.
